Tags

This is a list of the tags we have, and a discussion of how they might evolve.

Current Tags

  • fan - Someone with an amateur interest in fandom. They pay to do it
  • pro - Someone with a professional interest. Author, publisher, actor, artist, illustrator, scientist, journalist, academic etc. They get paid to do it.
  • artist - Anyone who produces art, including video
  • uk, ireland, europe, nz, australia, canada, asia, japan. Broad range to avoid too small a list. 'us' is assumed for everyone else. [mlo: which is annoying, but I don't see a non-annoying alternative.] I'd like 'us' to be added, would be prepared to do it manually. JRB
  • fanspeak - fannish words and concepts. Some overlap with publishing and conrunning.
  • convention - Conventions, festivals etc, only apply to the master page for a convention sequence like Boskone. [mlo: That means that uniquely-named conventions which are not series don't appear on convention tag lists.]
  • bid - A bid for a convention
  • worldcon, eastercon, eurocon, canvention, westercon - For special major conventions, Worldcon, Eastercon, Westercon, Eurocon, Canvention. We need something for NZ and Australia. [mlo: I'd be inclined to limit this to Eastercon, Westercon and Worldcon as these are far more influential than the others. There are a *lot* of national conventions and we have to draw a line somewhere. I'd not include Nasfic, either.). It is a matter of perspective, I think Aussies, New Zelanders and Canadians are proud of their natons. JRB
  • conrunning - The mechanics of running a convention, famous incidents
  • award - Awards, but only apply to the key pages for award series like the Hugos
  • fanfund - Fanfunds
  • fanhistory - Articles about what fandom is like, including reminiscence.
  • club - clubs and writing groups and writing workshops
  • _admin - for internal organisation of the site, templates etc
  • hoax - Hoaxes
  • feud - Feuds
  • media - non-written fandoms, tv, film, anime etc. [mlo: Note that to the extent that they have their own disconnected fandoms, they don't really belong here. (Though I wouldn't spend time deleting pages unless they conflicted with fannish pages.)]
  • apa - APA
  • fanzine, apazine, perzine, newszine, prozine, semiprozine, newsletter, fanthology - Different sorts of fan publication, fanzine, apazine, perzine, newszine, prozine, semiprozine, newsletter
  • show - Fannish musicals, plays, films etc
  • store - Place to buy things, bricks and mortar or online
  • venue - Building that holds cons, or a slan shack house.
  • locale - A geographical place
  • publisher - Is this a company or a person? See discussion at end.
  • publishing - The mechanics of producing books, fanzines etc, cf conrunning for cons. [mlo: This was an old idea when Fancy 3 was just starting; It no longer seems very compelling.] I like this one, it is a rabbithole of odd terms, and has plenty of entries. Could be a list at the end of a feature article, but it would be a big task to write that. JRB
  • small_press - A small company that publishes things. See discussion at end.
  • abomination - ? [mlo: It's traditional for a few editorial remarks to creep in…]
  • obscure_fact - ? [mlo: This is in the category of "it seemed like a good idea at the time". The idea was to tag things people just browsing might find amusing. We should discuss whether it retains enough value.]
  • catchphrase - ? [mlo: Sadly, no longer much used. It used to be a proud and lonely thing to be a fan.]
  • obsolete - ? [mlo: I think this may still be useful. It designates usages, mainly, which are obsolete. Let's discuss, as it might be as useful turned into something like Obsolete at the top of the definition.]
  • food - food and drink [mlo: mildly amusing, but otherwise of dubious value]
  • first_fandom - First Fandom [mlo: Keep. This is our founding generation and I want to give them special recognition. They are people who committed fanac before WW II]
  • book - A notable book, series of books, or a short story, length is not an issue format is.
  • bibliography - A list of books, fanzines, prozines, etc.
  • initialisism - Things referred to by their initials
  • penname, nickname - Former as authors, latter as people [mlo: Is this a useful distinction? It's clear enough, but is it useful?] Pennames for pros should be invisible redirects. Nicknames for fans have some interest, but again would better be part of the fan's main page. So I think its clutter and would remove it. JRB
  • fancast - Spoken fan publication
  • filk - Filk singing, includes people, conventions, groups, clubs, musicals
  • tolkien - people, clubs, conventions about that
  • fancy1, fancy2 - containing content from Fancyclopedia 1 or Fancyclopedia 2
  • list - lists of things [mlo: drop] JRB keep [mlo: Ah. I see what it's used for. Agreed, keep.]
  • website - websites

Changes made

  • Get rid of ted tag. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • The statuette, author, bibliographer, historian, and fantasy tags have very few members, and should go. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • Merge perzine tag into fanzine. JRB [mlo: agree. I wonder if clubzine is a distinction worth keeping?]
  • Remove tag email. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • collector - Collector [mlo: drop]
  • Remove editor tag, splitting into fan or pro. Too many people edit as part of other things. JRB [mlo: agreed]
  • Get rid of tag audio, it has 4 members, and no-one thinks to use it. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • lovecraft - [mlo: I'm not sure there's enough Lovecraft to warrant it]. JRB delete it
  • statuette - Sculpture [mlo: really? Are there ever going to be enough of them? Are they interesting enough?] Deleted. JRB
  • audio - [mlo: what is this? Is there enough to be worth keeping given that we have fancast?]. Deleted JRB
  • Publisher tag removed from people, publisher link added if important. JRB
  • Add conrunning tag for articles about how conventions are organised, and memories on how they went. Reserve the convention tag for the event itself. JRB.

Discussion

JRB for ideas liked by John Bray, MLO by Mark Olsen

  • New tags need approval from Mark. JRB
  • I wonder if clubzine is a distinction worth keeping MLO. Possibly JRB [mlo: Let's keep it for now then.]
  • Merge semiprozine into prozine, they are both sold, even if one loses money! JRB [mlo: I'm not sure. There are so damn many of the semiprozines.]
  • Writing courses like Clarion should be conventions, not clubs. JRB [mlo: They're repeated annually with different people. Neither tag is perfect, but they "feel" a bit more like a convention.]
  • For something in a category that's too common to be in the main index, add a leading underscore. So while Boskone is a 'convention', Boskone 14 is a '_convention', Hugo is an 'award', 2008 Best Novel Hugo is an '_award'. JRB [mlo: I see a good case for this, but let's discuss it a bit more first. What do we do when we have something like most Eastercons that ought to have both "convention" and "_convention"?] Eastercons should have tag eastercon and not convention, can we think of other examples where Con X is particularly important? JRB
  • Add _admin tags to all redirection pages using "module redirection", or "(Did you mean …". JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Add _admin tags to year pages. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Add a misc tag, just so every page has a tag, and we can check for omissions. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Get rid of abomination and obscure_fact tags. JRB [mlo: I'd like to keep abomination ]
  • Remove catchphrase tag, merge into fanspeak. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I'd like to look at the two categories in detail first]
  • Remove tag obsolete. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I'd like to look at the category in detail first]
  • Remove tag websites, everything has a website. JRB [mlo: The idea was to tag pages specifically about websites. Let's review]
  • Add tag project, for all those fannish projects to archive, catalogue change the world etc. Would cover many websites like SF Encyclopedia etc, so could take over from website tag. JRB [mlo: ??]
  • Work on pages with multiple meanings so we have no pages with incompatible tags merely because they share the same name. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Now tag collector has gone replace with backlinks from the Collector article. [mlo: agree.]

This could apply to all sorts of roles, editor, historian etc. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this, though it sounds sensible]

  • Publisher is currently half companies, half people. The latter is an anomalous role given we don't have editor etc. We could change publisher to press to be the counterpart to small_press, but its not a common term. It might be easiest to just ensure publisher is in people's descriptions, and have a backlink section as we do for editor, and not tag people. publishing_house/publisher is an alternative. JRB [mlo: I no longer think it makes sense for it to be a person — there are far too many fanzines publishers! The question then becomes, does the remaining use warrant keeping it at all?]. I think we should rename small_press tag to be publisher, and keep the mainstream ones in that. They'd be overwhelmed, but that's good, and avoids our assessment. Get Thomas's view. JRB [thomas: tagging small presses with 'publisher' rather than 'small_press' makes sense to me. As for people, there is the borderline case of Graham Stone having published books as Graham Stone.][thomas: another alternative is imprint. It doesn't have quite the same meaning. A publisher may have multiple imprints. But users may tend to know publishers by their imprints rather than their business names (e.g., "Escape Publishing" rather than "Harlequin Australia", and "Tor" rather than "Tom Doherty Associates").]
  • Change the novelty tags (food, catchphrase, nickname, obscure fact etc) into standalone pages prominent from the landing page. Obviously it would be nicer to have someone write on the history of nicknames, but we could just have the automatic backlist from a mention of the term. Not convinced that people finding one obscure fact would be hopping to others. JRB
  • Either get rid of newszine (3 entries) and newsletter or populate them. Convention newsletters should really be folded into the con entries, the rest are just fanzines, which need to just reference newszine their text. JRB votes remove.

Untagged pages, sorted by size

page(title) size tags
1968 Hugo Ceremony Transcript 58579
1998 FAAN Awards 12330
Campbell Award Rules 11719
2004 FAAN Awards 9958
2003 FAAN Awards 8431
2009 FAAN Awards 7443
2005 FAAN Awards 7168
2000 FAAN Awards 6976
File 770 Poll Results 1978 6726
Rebecca Smith's Convention Timeline for Southern AL, MS, and LA 6541
1999 FAAN Awards 6405
Coventry 6103
TASFIC Program 5508
The Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy 4547
Fancyclopedia 3 4205
Fantasy Role Playing 3985
FanHistoriCon 9/Midwestcon 50 3874
Iguanacon II 3721
NecronomiCon Providence 2015 3719
Tropicon VII 3699
Fan Tarot Deck 3662
1995 Nasfic Site Selection Results 3659
NecronomiCon Providence 2017 3583
Nominating Ballot Details 3499
1977 FAAN Awards 3385
NecronomiCon Providence 2013 3328
Most Senior Fan 3184
Who Killed Science Fiction? 3095
1969 TAFF Results 2965
Minicon 9 2859
1984 Westercon Site Selection 2800
Strangers (by Harry Stubbs) 2777
Minicon 8 2736
Minicon 4 2721
V-Con 1 2709
1959 Hugo Results 2591
Kubla Khan Too 2482
Boskone 24 2438
Mythcon XXVII 2360
Ditto 14 / FanHistoriCon 11 2349
Lan's Lantern 16 2307
1967 Hugo Results 2304
1939 Retro Hugo Results 2303
Pacificon II 2292
Albacon 2011 2249
1997 FAAN Awards 2239
World Fantasy Convention 2018 2192
Kubla's Ninth Khanphony 2161
Second Eastern States Science Fiction Convention 2158
Boskone 25 2153
2013 Hugo Results 2144
1976 FAAN Awards 2141
1943 Michiconference 2106
DeepSouthCon 44 2074
Boskone 22 2061
1956 Hugo Results 2053
Kwintus Kublius 2050
Unicon IV 2041
Secondary Universe I 2039
Philcon II 2028
2002 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 2019
New Orleans Area Fen 1982
The Best of Fandom 1958 1970
Tropicon IV 1937
Minicon 3 1937
1978 Hugo Results 1933
ConQuesT 41 1888
Minicon 7 1822
2012 Hugo Results 1763
2018 1758
1969 Hugo Results 1749
2014 Hugo Results 1746
1946 Retro Hugo Results 1729
Trinoc*coN 2005 1720
Langdon Chart 1716
Kubla Khan Clave 1701
Tropicon V 1700
Trinoc*coN 2004 1697
1968 Hugo Results 1697
Nebula Award Weekend 2015 1691
Series versus episode 1688
None of the Above 1680
List of Hugo Results 1679
Boréal 2018 1676
Tropicon II 1674
Nebula Award Weekend 2010 1659
Lunacon 2016 1657
Hugo ceremony 1655
1965 Hugo Results 1649
PgHLANGE 1 1640
Lunacon 11 1632
Faan Awards 1979 1625
1973 Hugo Results 1617
Tropicon VIII 1616
Tropicon XVI 1613
2011 Hugo Results 1608
Minicon 6 1592
Continuum 8 1591
Morph 1586
1954 Retro Hugo Results 1586
1959 Best Short Story Hugo 1584
SFWA Nebula Conference 2016 1568
1955 Hugo Results 1566
Hugo Rules 1566
1960 Hugo Results 1562
Ditto 10 1550
New Wave 1534
Minicon 2 1525
2007 Hugo Results 1514
1996 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 1513
Tropicon VI 1511
Minicon 5 1507
1970 Hugo Results 1504
2010 Hugo Results 1481
1984 Hugo Results 1467
Fanquet 1463
2006 Hugo Results 1457
Albacon 2014.5 1455
Secondary Universe II 1454
1997 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 1451
2009 Hugo Results 1448
2005 Hugo Results 1442
2004 Hugo Results 1442
Trinoc*coN 2003 1436
Nominating ballot 1428
Disclave 24 1421
Midwestcon 19 1418
1986 TAFF Results 1415
2008 Hugo Results 1413
The Reader and Collector 1407
NecronomiCon, 4th Edition 1405
1988 Hugo Results 1402
1993 Hugo Results 1385
1969 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 1384
1987 TAFF Results 1380
1992 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 1380
HELIOsphere 2017 1379
1991 Hugo Results 1375
1997 Hugo Results 1374
Philcon 1978 1370
NecronomiCon, 3rd Edition 1366
2008 Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form Hugo 1364
Boréal 2009 1356
1951 Retro Hugo Results 1352
Conestoga 12 1346
Con*Cept '92 1345
NecronomiCon, 5th Edition 1340
Lunacon 12 1339
1989 Hugo Results 1336
1996 Hugo Results 1335
2004 Best Related Book Hugo 1333
No Preference 1331
CONtraflow 5 1329
Midwestcon 8 1319
FAAn Awards 1978 1315
2017 DUFF Results 1312
Shaver Mythos 1311
Xanadu III 1308
1966 Hugo Results 1307
Golden Age 1303
NecronomiCon, 2nd Edition 1302
Up To Now: June 1938 1297
2006 Best Dramatic Presentation Short Form Hugo 1288
1942 Michiconference 1282
2003 Hugo Results 1282
Xanadu II 1280
ConFusion 13 1280
Corflu 34 1279
OKon 15 1276
1985 Hugo Results 1274
The Eaton Fanzine Collection 1273
2009 Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form Hugo 1271
1958 1270
1986 DUFF Results 1264
2002 Hugo Results 1260
Boréal 2010 1258
Second British Convention 1257
The Capture 1253
Boskone I 1251
1994 Hugo Results 1248
1968 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 1248
1962 Best Short Fiction Hugo 1248
Fanbar1 1246
Boréal 2017 1246
2004 Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form Hugo 1246
NecronomiCon, 1st Edition 1234
Disclave 9 1234
Boskone 15 1224
Con*Cept 2007 1222
1995 Hugo Results 1222
1952 1215
2006 Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form Hugo 1210
Con*Cept '97 1208
2003 Best Dramatic Presentation Long Form Hugo 1208
Harry Potter 1207
1977 Hugo Results 1207
Disclave 4 1207
Heinlein Juveniles 1203
Geis Science Fiction Review 1203
1990 Hugo Results 1202
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