Tags

This is a list of the tags we have, and a discussion of how they might evolve.

Current Tags

  • fan - Someone with an amateur interest in fandom. They pay to do it
  • pro - Someone with a professional interest. Author, publisher, actor, artist, illustrator, scientist, journalist, academic etc. They get paid to do it.
  • artist - Anyone who produces art, including video
  • uk, ireland, europe, nz, australia, canada, asia, japan. Broad range to avoid too small a list. 'us' is assumed for everyone else. [mlo: which is annoying, but I don't see a non-annoying alternative.] I'd like 'us' to be added, would be prepared to do it manually. JRB
  • fanspeak - fannish words and concepts. Some overlap with publishing and conrunning.
  • convention - Conventions, festivals etc, only apply to the master page for a convention sequence like Boskone. [mlo: That means that uniquely-named conventions which are not series don't appear on convention tag lists.]
  • bid - A bid for a convention
  • worldcon, eastercon, eurocon, canvention, westercon - For special major conventions, Worldcon, Eastercon, Westercon, Eurocon, Canvention. We need something for NZ and Australia. [mlo: I'd be inclined to limit this to Eastercon, Westercon and Worldcon as these are far more influential than the others. There are a *lot* of national conventions and we have to draw a line somewhere. I'd not include Nasfic, either.). It is a matter of perspective, I think Aussies, New Zelanders and Canadians are proud of their natons. JRB
  • award - Awards, but only apply to the key pages for award series like the Hugos
  • fanfund - Fanfunds
  • fanhistory - Articles about what fandom is like, including reminiscence.
  • club - clubs and writing groups and writing workshops
  • _admin - for internal organisation of the site, templates etc
  • hoax - Hoaxes
  • feud - Feuds
  • media - non-written fandoms, tv, film, anime etc. [mlo: Note that to the extent that they have their own disconnected fandoms, they don't really belong here. (Though I wouldn't spend time deleting pages unless they conflicted with fannish pages.)]
  • apa - APA
  • fanzine, apazine, perzine, newszine, prozine, semiprozine, newsletter, fanthology - Different sorts of fan publication, fanzine, apazine, perzine, newszine, prozine, semiprozine, newsletter
  • store - Place to buy things, bricks and mortar or online
  • venue - Building that holds cons, or a slan shack house.
  • locale - A geographical place
  • publisher - Is this a company or a person? See discussion at end.
  • publishing - The mechanics of producing books, fanzines etc, cf conrunning for cons. [mlo: This was an old idea when Fancy 3 was just starting; It no longer seems very compelling.] I like this one, it is a rabbithole of odd terms, and has plenty of entries. Could be a list at the end of a feature article, but it would be a big task to write that. JRB
  • small_press - A small company that publishes things. See discussion at end.
  • abomination - ? [mlo: It's traditional for a few editorial remarks to creep in…]
  • obscure_fact - ? [mlo: This is in the category of "it seemed like a good idea at the time". The idea was to tag things people just browsing might find amusing. We should discuss whether it retains enough value.]
  • catchphrase - ? [mlo: Sadly, no longer much used. It used to be a proud and lonely thing to be a fan.]
  • obsolete - ? [mlo: I think this may still be useful. It designates usages, mainly, which are obsolete. Let's discuss, as it might be as useful turned into something like Obsolete at the top of the definition.]
  • food - food and drink [mlo: mildly amusing, but otherwise of dubious value]
  • first_fandom - First Fandom [mlo: Keep. This is our founding generation and I want to give them special recognition. They are people who committed fanac before WW II]
  • book - A notable book, series of books, or a short story, length is not an issue format is.
  • bibliography - A list of books, fanzines, prozines, etc.
  • initialisism - Things referred to by their initials
  • penname, nickname - Former as authors, latter as people [mlo: Is this a useful distinction? It's clear enough, but is it useful?] Pennames for pros should be invisible redirects. Nicknames for fans have some interest, but again would better be part of the fan's main page. So I think its clutter and would remove it. JRB
  • fancast - Spoken fan publication
  • filk - Filk singing, includes people, conventions, groups, clubs, musicals
  • tolkien - people, clubs, conventions about that
  • fancy1, fancy2 - containing content from Fancyclopedia 1 or Fancyclopedia 2
  • list - lists of things [mlo: drop] JRB keep [mlo: Ah. I see what it's used for. Agreed, keep.]
  • website - websites

Changes made

  • Get rid of ted tag. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • The statuette, author, bibliographer, historian, and fantasy tags have very few members, and should go. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • Merge perzine tag into fanzine. JRB [mlo: agree. I wonder if clubzine is a distinction worth keeping?]
  • Remove tag email. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • collector - Collector [mlo: drop]
  • Remove editor tag, splitting into fan or pro. Too many people edit as part of other things. JRB [mlo: agreed]
  • Get rid of tag audio, it has 4 members, and no-one thinks to use it. JRB [mlo: agree]
  • lovecraft - [mlo: I'm not sure there's enough Lovecraft to warrant it]. JRB delete it
  • statuette - Sculpture [mlo: really? Are there ever going to be enough of them? Are they interesting enough?] Deleted. JRB
  • audio - [mlo: what is this? Is there enough to be worth keeping given that we have fancast?]. Deleted JRB
  • Publisher tag removed from people, publisher link added if important. JRB

Discussion

JRB for ideas liked by John Bray, MLO by Mark Olsen

  • New tags need approval from Mark. JRB
  • I wonder if clubzine is a distinction worth keeping MLO. Possibly JRB [mlo: Let's keep it for now then.]
  • Merge semiprozine into prozine, they are both sold, even if one loses money! JRB [mlo: I'm not sure. There are so damn many of the semiprozines.]
  • Add conrunning tag for articles about how conventions are organised, and memories on how they went. Reserve the convention tag for the event itself. JRB
  • Writing courses like Clarion should be conventions, not clubs. JRB [mlo: They're repeated annually with different people. Neither tag is perfect, but they "feel" a bit more like a convention.]
  • For something in a category that's too common to be in the main index, add a leading underscore. So while Boskone is a 'convention', Boskone 14 is a '_convention', Hugo is an 'award', 2008 Best Novel Hugo is an '_award'. JRB [mlo: I see a good case for this, but let's discuss it a bit more first. What do we do when we have something like most Eastercons that ought to have both "convention" and "_convention"?] Eastercons should have tag eastercon and not convention, can we think of other examples where Con X is particularly important? JRB
  • Add _admin tags to all redirection pages using "module redirection", or "(Did you mean …". JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Add _admin tags to year pages. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Add a misc tag, just so every page has a tag, and we can check for omissions. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Get rid of abomination and obscure_fact tags. JRB [mlo: I'd like to keep abomination ]
  • Remove catchphrase tag, merge into fanspeak. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I'd like to look at the two categories in detail first]
  • Remove tag obsolete. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I'd like to look at the category in detail first]
  • Remove tag websites, everything has a website. JRB [mlo: The idea was to tag pages specifically about websites. Let's review]
  • Add tag project, for all those fannish projects to archive, catalogue change the world etc. Would cover many websites like SF Encyclopedia etc, so could take over from website tag. JRB [mlo: ??]
  • Work on pages with multiple meanings so we have no pages with incompatible tags merely because they share the same name. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this]
  • Now tag collector has gone replace with backlinks from the Collector article. [mlo: agree.]

This could apply to all sorts of roles, editor, historian etc. JRB [mlo: let's discuss — I don't understand the implications of this, though it sounds sensible]

  • Publisher is currently half companies, half people. The latter is an anomalous role given we don't have editor etc. We could change publisher to press to be the counterpart to small_press, but its not a common term. It might be easiest to just ensure publisher is in people's descriptions, and have a backlink section as we do for editor, and not tag people. publishing_house/publisher is an alternative. JRB [mlo: I no longer think it makes sense for it to be a person — there are far too many fanzines publishers! The question then becomes, does the remaining use warrant keeping it at all?]. I think we should rename small_press tag to be publisher, and keep the mainstream ones in that. They'd be overwhelmed, but that's good, and avoids our assessment. Get Thomas's view. JRB
  • Change the novelty tags (food, catchphrase, nickname, obscure fact etc) into standalone pages prominent from the landing page. Obviously it would be nicer to have someone write on the history of nicknames, but we could just have the automatic backlist from a mention of the term. Not convinced that people finding one obscure fact would be hopping to others. JRB

Untagged pages, sorted by size

page(title) size tags
Discon 1 Guide: Introduction 60357
1968 Hugo Ceremony Transcript 58579
Discon 1 Guide: WSFS 31255
List of Australian Authors (part 8) 18294
Discon 1 Guide: The Costume Ball 18012
Noreascon 3 Committee 16690
Discon 1 Guide: Accessory Organizations 15728
Mutation or Death! 14526
Tax-Exempt Status 13748
Discon 1 Guide: Sunday Evening 12932
Discon 1 Guide: The First Day 12919
Campbell Award Rules 11719
Discon 1 Guide: Two More Facets 11169
Discon 1 Guide: The Banquet 10921
2004 FAAN Awards 9717
Boskone 25 Letter 8901
Discon 1 Guide: Insurance and Other Precautions 8833
Discon 1 Guide: Last Session 8827
Discon 1 Guide: Money & The Proceedings 8690
2009 FAAN Awards 7419
Founding of CFG 7317
2000 FAAN Awards 6976
Best Novel Hugo Category 6845
File 770 Poll Results 1978 6726
David Kyle's NyCon II Reminiscence 6616
Rebecca Smith's Convention Timeline for Southern AL, MS, and LA 6541
Worldcon Bidding Process 6119
Coventry 6103
Pass-Along Funds 5744
TASFIC Program 5508
Boskone 53 Special Art Exhibit 5185
Guest of Honor 5176
2005 FAAN Awards 5124
1994 Site Selection Results 4995
Best Professional Editor Hugo Category 4926
Connie Bailout Committee 4870
Chicon III Program 4626
Science-Fiction Five-Yearly 4547
The Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy 4547
Fancyclopedia 3 4237
2008 Site Selection Results 4074
WSFS Business Meeting 4069
Fantasy Role Playing 3985
Early Hugo Voting 3966
Tricon Program 3937
1953 Site Selection Results 3935
Best Professional Magazine Hugo 3888
Philcon I Membership List 3865
FanHistoriCon 9/Midwestcon 50 3845
Bozo Bus Building 3776
NecronomiCon Providence 2015 3719
Tropicon VII 3670
Fan Tarot Deck 3662
1995 Nasfic Site Selection Results 3659
NecronomiCon Providence 2017 3583
Nominating Ballot Details 3499
Topographic Romance 3399
Gnome Press 3387
Rules for the Detention Business Meeting 3376
501(c)(3) 3359
NecronomiCon Providence 2013 3328
Reno pages needed 3307
Tucker Bag 4-1/2 3236
Most Senior Fan 3184
Outworlds 3151
Standing Committee 3146
2015 Site Selection Results 3133
Who Killed Science Fiction? 3095
Project Art Show 3002
Discon 1 Guide: Summary 2970
1969 TAFF Results 2965
Transferable Preferential Ballot 2895
If I Ran the Con 2889
Markland 2886
Minicon 9 2859
Co-Chair 2855
Chicon I Program 2847
1984 Westercon Site Selection 2800
Worldcon Emergency Fund 2782
Strangers 2777
Minicon 8 2736
Minicon 4 2721
V-Con 1 2709
1959 Hugo Results 2591
Weapons Policy 2581
1959 Site Selection Results 2556
Romenna Meeting Reports 2524
WSFS Committees 2497
Kubla Khan Too 2482
Con Report 2461
Room Party 2443
Reno Task Punchlist 2436
Bid 2423
Boxboro Fandom 2401
Propeller Beanie 2394
1981 Site Selection Results 2372
Name Badges 2363
Mythcon XXVII 2360
Boskone 24 2357
Ditto 14 / FanHistoriCon 11 2349
Julius Schwartz' Nycon Reminiscence 2335
Blind Fandom 2313
Lan's Lantern 16 2307
1967 Hugo Results 2304
1939 Retro Hugo Results 2303
Archon Tax Exemption Problems 2279
1980 Site Selection Results 2235
Albacon 2011 2235
Best Web Site Hugo Category 2206
World Fantasy Convention 2018 2192
NESFA Press Guest 2186
2011 Site Selection Results 2174
Hugo Subcommittee 2172
1993 Site Selection Results 2161
Kubla's Ninth Khanphony 2161
2013 Hugo Results 2144
APA:Bingy 2137
Fannish Play 2131
Boskone 25 2124
1949 Site Selection Results 2112
1943 Michiconference 2106
Boskone 22 2061
1956 Hugo Results 2053
Kwintus Kublius 2050
2005 Site Selection Results 2048
Secondary Universe I 2040
2002 Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo 2019
Fandom House 1986
Site Policies 1977
The Best of Fandom 1958 1970
Worldcon Proceedings 1970
Long List of Worldcons 1952
Best Original Artwork Hugo Category 1952
Minicon 3 1937
1978 Hugo Results 1933
Professional 1929
Site Selection Vote 1928
Clarion 1917
Dixie Fantasy Federation 1912
Write-Ins 1911
Tropicon IV 1908
1969 Site Selection Results 1896
Discon 1 Guide: Rest Break 1892
ConQuesT 41 1888
Hall Costumes 1837
Division 1826
Site Selection Ballot Counting 1823
Minicon 7 1822
Harry Harrison's Seacon '79 Reminiscence 1812
2018 Site Selection Results 1810
Concourse 1808
Hugo Trophy 1791
Subway Incident 1775
Clevention 1774
2012 Hugo Results 1763
Astral Pole 1758
1954 Site Selection Results 1757
1969 Hugo Results 1749
2014 Hugo Results 1744
1946 Retro Hugo Results 1729
1967 Site Selection Results 1724
Langdon Chart 1716
Agents 1706
Kubla Khan Clave 1701
1968 Hugo Results 1697
The Decomposers 1696
1938 Philadelphia Conference 1696
Series Versus Episode 1694
Nebula Award Weekend 2015 1691
Follycon 2018 1689
None of the Above 1680
List of Hugo Results 1679
Tropicon V 1671
Nebula Award Weekend 2010 1659
Lunacon 2016 1657
Hugo Ceremony 1655
1965 Hugo Results 1649
Tropicon II 1645
PgHLANGE 1 1640
Big Tent 1640
The Greatest Gondorian Hero 1637
1999 Site Selection Results 1634
Lunacon 11 1632
1973 Hugo Results 1617
2011 Hugo Results 1608
Long-Running Conventions 1605
Minicon 6 1592
Tropicon VIII 1587
Morph 1586
1954 Retro Hugo Results 1586
1959 Best Short Story Hugo 1584
Faan Awards 1979 1582
SFWA Nebula Conference 2016 1568
1955 Hugo Results 1566
Hugo Rules 1566
1960 Hugo Results 1562
National Convention 1560
Scott Imes Video Archive 1553
2012 Site Selection Results 1552
New Wave 1534
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